Another delay for the dsr500 [Archive]

**DONOTDELETE**

10-30-2003, 1:47 PM

What are you talking about? A handful of people, including myself, have the DSR500 already and are very happy with it.

Keep poking in and out of your favourite retailer... you may get lucky and find one.

foxfan

10-30-2003, 2:03 PM

I have a retailer that could have one for me.

How's your receiver doing? Did they get all the bugs out?

Could you please confirm that it sends out HD and SD at the same time. Does it downconvert the HD channels to a 4:3 letterbox standard def signal?

Does it have the OTA tuner that the Voom receivers have?

Thanks

Dede

10-30-2003, 2:05 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Does it have the OTA tuner

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a definite no.

foxfan

10-30-2003, 2:07 PM

Any way of adding one?

Dede

10-30-2003, 2:12 PM

Possibly via the ethernet or USB ports? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

pauldryan

10-30-2003, 3:38 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Does it have the OTA tuner that the Voom receivers have?

[/ QUOTE ]
Pretty soon it won't need to, since all new sets will be required to carry the OTA tuner necessary to decode digital signals. The manufacturers lost their appeal and the FCC requirement stands. Appeals Court upholds FCC rule on digital TV (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/1029natwldbrfs29.html)

The makers of TVs, VCRs and DVD players tried to block the Federal Communications Commission rule, saying it would make sets more expensive and was unnecessary because cable and satellite viewers don't need the tuners.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit sided with the FCC, which said the requirement was needed because the industry was not moving quickly enough to make tuners available.

The tuners will be needed to receive over-the-air broadcasts after the nation switches from analog to digital signals. Congress has set a goal of December 2006 for the change.

Paul

JRB

10-30-2003, 4:41 PM

It does send out both SD and HD at the same time. It sends out a SD letterbox version of a HD channel. Not all the bugs are out yet but apparently the software writers have been working overtime to get everything fixed. All in all good machine. Much better then other SC recievers. PQ on all channels are good HD channels outstanding.

foxfan

10-30-2003, 4:50 PM

The thing is that I have the option of buying one today. Do I get it or wait for a more 'fixed' version?

bigoranget

10-30-2003, 4:57 PM

Even if you buy it today, you will receive the software upgrade as they become available.

Arthur

10-30-2003, 5:14 PM

It looks like the echostar way of sending out bugy new IRDs is prefered to nothing new.

And for those that don't like it, they can wait.

Dede

10-30-2003, 5:19 PM

Yes, but then I'd need to buy another television set and that's not an option, and it still won't be by 2007.

pauldryan

10-30-2003, 5:37 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I'd need to buy another television set and that's not an option, and it still won't be by 2007

[/ QUOTE ]
Ouch! Did you take out a mortgage on this one or just legally adopt it and can't bear the thought of ever parting ways? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Paul

Dede

10-30-2003, 5:44 PM

I'm obviously not good enough of a black-jack player to hang around casinos and rake-in enough dough to be able drop 5K$ every few years to keep up with the Joneses.... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anyway, the next display device will be a FP... you know by 2007, they'll do 1920*1080 at 1080P with a gazillion lumens right? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

bmiller

10-30-2003, 7:22 PM

Well,there aren't any to be had around where i live,and *c says they aren't available yet.
Where did you get ahold of one?My dealers sales rep doesn't even have access to any. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

bigoranget

10-30-2003, 7:40 PM

They are available in limited supply. I bought one on Tuesday.

JRB

10-30-2003, 8:16 PM

I also bought mine on tuesday at Future Shop in Calgary

pauldryan

10-30-2003, 11:25 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I'm obviously not good enough of a black-jack player to hang around casinos and rake-in enough dough to be able drop 5K$ every few years to keep up with the Joneses....

[/ QUOTE ]
Maybe you could try Bingo /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Paul

Dede

10-31-2003, 12:58 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Where did you get ahold of one?

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't have a DSR-500 and I'm not planning on getting one either.

I gave up on *C HD a few months ago and switched to Bev. My blood pressure is down, I sleep better and my hair is now starting to grow back. Remarquable at my age. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

JRB

10-31-2003, 4:35 PM

I feel bad for you. In the past week I have watched nothing but HD and have only had about 1 dropout during bad weather. All the complanits I have heard from before seem to be silenced

Dede

10-31-2003, 4:57 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I feel bad for you. In the past week I have watched nothing but HD and have only had about 1 dropout during bad weather.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't. I'm a happy camper. I know where the HD programming I like will be. I've also watched a lot of HD in the last few months. PLus I get more programming for less money. Hard to beat!

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
All the complanits I have heard from before seem to be silenced

[/ QUOTE ]

Then you're not looking very hard. But then again, you've either been looking at your receiver rebooting by itself, or have been on hold for tech-2 suppport from *C to fix your clock... enjoying the big red button? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Arthur

10-31-2003, 5:23 PM

JRB
I have to go with Dede on this one, if 1 hour freeze ups don't bother you then you are very easy to please.

energeezer

10-31-2003, 7:53 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I feel bad for you. In the past week I have watched nothing but HD and have only had about 1 dropout during bad weather. All the complanits I have heard from before seem to be silenced

[/ QUOTE ]

Well I will agree with JRB on this one. Most of the programming I've watched has been VIRTUALLY glitch free and oh by the way aside from the dirt cheap used purchase price of my HDD201 IT WAS FREE and legal.
I was a little leary about *C HD but I've changed my mind and I have faith it will only get better. Watch out BEV *C HD is free and looming large in your mirrors. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Bent

10-31-2003, 9:15 PM

Hey, is htg back yet?

snoman

10-31-2003, 9:57 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Then you're not looking very hard. But then again, you've either been looking at your receiver rebooting by itself,

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a BEV problem from all the 6000 (http://www.canadian-tv.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=HDTV&Number=125201&page=0& view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2#Post130243) posts around here.

snoman

10-31-2003, 9:58 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
if 1 hour freeze ups don't bother you then you are very easy to please.

[/ QUOTE ]

What freeze ups? Never happened to me.

Arthur

10-31-2003, 10:48 PM

From here (http://www.canadian-tv.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Hardware&Number=130076&For um=All_Forums&Words=JRB&Match=Username&Searchpage= 0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=130075&Search=true#Po st130076)

JRB wrote
"mine just locked up. I am on the phone right now with SC unplugging does nothing. It has been like this for the last hour. "

snoman

10-31-2003, 11:58 PM

Oh brother. 1 (ONE) count them ONE receiver locks up.
Along the same note then you could say BEV IRDs are firebombs waiting to go up in a puff of smoke too. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

pauldryan

11-01-2003, 12:00 AM

aaaah .... the smoking gun! [loosens collar nervously]
They made me say it; they did; I didn't want to ..... I was under duress! I need to see my lawyer now.

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifPaul

energeezer

11-01-2003, 1:33 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Hey, is htg back yet

[/ QUOTE ]
Who cares!!!
Actually I do like some aspects of that place. Club R and its moderator AP being the main ones.
Steve

energeezer

11-01-2003, 1:36 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
aaaah .... the smoking gun! [loosens collar nervously]
They made me say it; they did; I didn't want to ..... I was under duress! I need to see my lawyer now.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey this is really turning into a fun thread in a mud wrastlin/slingin kinda way.
Tick or Treat /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Arthur

11-01-2003, 9:04 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Oh brother. 1 (ONE) count them ONE receiver locks up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah thats why they are working on new software, just to fix that one IRD. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Have you seen any post of trouble free DSR500s?
Not to worry we have all seen first hand how *C will jump on any HD related problem. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bmiller

11-01-2003, 9:47 AM

Are youz guyz trying to make me think i'm about to make the wrong decision? It's a crap shoot,a gamble,a shot in the dark kinduv choice.I'm not sure myself anymore,but *c keeps giving me more and more time to think about it anyway.
Ok,fire away.Make it even harder for me.
By the way,the bell website indicates no 6000's or 5800's in stock.What's that all about?

Arthur

11-01-2003, 11:03 AM

You have waited this long, I suggest you wait a little longer. Just until the bugs are worked out, or something better comes along. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

snoman

11-01-2003, 12:58 PM

Better be careful, those 6000s are notorious for self combusting.
Just ask Tom. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Dede

11-01-2003, 1:20 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Are youz guyz trying to make me think i'm about to make the wrong decision?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, I'm sure the problems with the DSR-500s will eventually be fixed. Just don't expect that they will be problem-free if you get them now. There is now ample evidence (much more than one unit btw) on N.A. satellite forums that Motorola rushed these receivers to market. The plethora (3 Amigos! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif) of software revisions that are being frantically downloaded to the receivers, both here and in the US, should be a cause for concern.

Now, how a company can "rush" something to market and still take 2 years to develop a product is beyond me. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Dede

11-01-2003, 1:20 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
What freeze ups? Never happened to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

When did you get a DSR-500?

bmiller

11-01-2003, 1:28 PM

The problem with waiting for something better to come along means you might never get one.Something "better" is always coming down the pipe.

Dede

11-01-2003, 1:37 PM

I think the "wait" is a matter of a few weeks, 2 months tops. Go for it!

snoman

11-01-2003, 2:00 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Now, how a company can "rush" something to market and still take 2 years to develop a product is beyond me.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ya no kidding. I don't know how Echostar does it either. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

11-01-2003, 2:57 PM

You wrote...

By the way,the bell website indicates no 6000's or 5800's in stock.What's that all about?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I see DishNetwork has a new 500 series receiver that has a 120 GB hard drive giving close to 100 hours of recording time. Perhaps BEV is getting it. Hopefully the long awaited BEV 6000 replacement is on its way. (Holding breath, turning blue...)

SteveTrigonidis

11-01-2003, 3:00 PM

I just bought my DSR500 on Thursday, no problems so far. The new guide is amazing, PQ is amazing! All in all, very happy with the purchase and would recommend it to others.
/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

energeezer

11-01-2003, 3:06 PM

Its like I said. *C is looming large in BeaVs mirrors and *C HD is FREEEEEE.
Watch out BEV. *C is coming for ya. You are leading now but the end is near. I feel real sorry for those whom just switched from Beav to *C. I think you made a mistake!!!
Think I'll pick up another used HDD201 for cheap and have FREE HDTV on another set in my house.
Oh by the way. How much does Beav charge for programming?
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

NBPatsFan

11-01-2003, 3:45 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
How much does Beav charge for programming?

[/ QUOTE ]

$0.00 if you have a basic package like "Super 7"

**DONOTDELETE**

11-01-2003, 4:09 PM

Only if they can get their churn numbers down.

pauldryan

11-01-2003, 4:46 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Only if they can get their churn numbers down.

[/ QUOTE ]
BEV's churn numbers for last quarter = 4.2%
*Choice churn numbers for the last quarter = 4.2%

Which service were you referrinng to?

'None so blind as those that wont see.’

Paul

pauldryan

11-01-2003, 4:59 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
In reply to:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How much does Beav charge for programming?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

$0.00 if you have a basic package like "Super 7"

[/ QUOTE ]

The minimum sub to get the HD package at BEV is "Super 7" costing $41.00 monthly. The minimum charge to get the HD channels on StarChoice is "Bronze" costing $23.99 monthly.

There is no free lunch offered by either company, but the offering from Bell is decidedly more expensive, $19.38 monthly, after taxes in Manitoba.

Paul

energeezer

11-01-2003, 7:33 PM

It may not be a free lunch but in my case HD cost nothing extra (on *C) and I got the upsampling provided by the HDD201 which alllows the elimination of an outboard scaler/PC in my FP setup.
Another HDD201 bonus over Beav er I mean Bev. The Hdd201 O/Ps H+V sync along with RGB. Can Beav make this claim?
I think not.

Arthur

11-01-2003, 8:50 PM

I'm sure that in no time at all you will see us guys that have both the bell 6000 and the *C 201 switch back to *C for their superior service.

Keep living the dream energeezer, reality is far to harsh for the *C HD sub. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

HiDefBob

11-01-2003, 8:58 PM

I was looking at the specs for this unit. I don't see any reference to a DVI output. I see no point in buying any new video equipment that does not have DVI connections.

Many new display devices already have DVI inputs and all new display devices in the near future are going to have them. You are going to sacrific PQ if your source equipment does not have DVi out.

energeezer

11-01-2003, 10:22 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I'm sure that in no time at all you will see us guys that have both the bell 6000 and the *C 201 switch back to *C for their superior service.

[/ QUOTE ]

Arthur
Now youre comin around. Soon you'll all be back with *C /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

starbudder

11-01-2003, 10:27 PM

I agree it is disapointing that there is not a DVI output, especially since Motorola's cable DCT-5100 does have this output. However I am impressed with the rest of the DSR-500 receiver (had one for 24 hours and counting)compared to other satellite receivers currently available. In my situation the sole DVI input on my JVC HDTV is reserved for the arrival of a FTA IT912 satellite receiver.

Arthur

11-02-2003, 11:56 AM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
Arthur
Now youre comin around. Soon you'll all be back with *C

[/ QUOTE ]
I think your right, I just posted this in another message
Nothing is free but if HD was free and now bell is discounting my bill by $1 to watch HD, how much will others discount their subs to watch HD.
If *C does the same thing as bell, *C HD subs with east and west nets will be getting $6.99 off their bill.
It may be time for me to switch back to *C HD.
.

snoman

11-02-2003, 1:45 PM

I thought you hated carrots. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

energeezer

11-02-2003, 2:19 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I think your right, I just posted this in another message
Nothing is free but if HD was free and now bell is discounting my bill by $1 to watch HD, how much will others discount their subs to watch HD.
If *C does the same thing as bell, *C HD subs with east and west nets will be getting $6.99 off their bill.
It may be time for me to switch back to *C HD.

[/ QUOTE ]
To be honest you lost me on this one but it sounds like I'm being duped somehow. LOL /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Arthur

11-02-2003, 5:01 PM

If bell HD is free and now no $1 charge for west feeds
then
*C would be free less $6.99 for the west feed, making *C such a good deal that I will have to switch back to *C. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Arthur

11-02-2003, 5:07 PM

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />
I thought you hated carrots.

[/ QUOTE ]

I like carrots, just don't like when someone keeps sticking them in front of me but just out of reach. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif